Discussion:
Gershwin & black music
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slider
2004-08-19 13:00:13 UTC
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### - strangely enough we find gershwin took his inspiration from black music (in the
hollywood version he's seen hanging around in black bars and being suddenly inspired for
example)

mentioned here on this page...

http://www.classical.net/music/books/reviews/0195090209a.html - e.g.

Susan Richardson talks about the meshing of Gershwin's career with the early explosion of
the pop-music industry - sheet music, radio, piano rolls, films, and recordings. The most
problematic essay of the book for me, C. André Barbera's "George Gershwin and Jazz," ends
up stating the obvious (and Gershwin's own position): that the composer didn't write jazz.
However, there's a bit of strange hand-wringing over the white man's appropriation and
exploitation of the black man's music, as if Gershwin owed somebody royalties. It makes no
more sense to worry about this kind of appropriation than it does to accuse Charlie Parker
of ripping off the white European system of harmony and polyphony, in my opinion. Many in
the white-dominated pop-music industry have indeed ripped off black artists (and some
black music moguls have done the same, incidentally) and do owe them, but we should
distinguish between money and the materials of art. The latter is common property - there
for anyone with the talent to use them. Beyond this bump in the road, however, Barbera
goes on to analyze Gershwin's songs to find reasons why so many jazz musicians like to
play with them.

or this one
http://inkpot.com/classical/gershporgy.html - e.g.

Gershwin's lyrical inspiration for Porgy and Bess was drawn from the visits to Carolina
where he soaked up the music of churches, prayer meetings, homes and nightclubs. Of
course, Gershwin's own upbringing in Harlem exposed him at an early age to all that jazz
and the artistry of legendary musicians Art Tatum and "Fats" Waller. He had already
demonstrated his "chops" as a talented and more than competent Jazz pianist that raised
eyebrows amongst black musicians from the time he worked at Remick's Publishing House. The
natural, negro-American music that thus flowed from this white man's pen thus comes as no
surprise.

or this...
http://esperstamps.org/t7-print.htm

In preparation for the show, Gershwin spent time in the rural South, studying firsthand
the music and lifestyle of impoverished African Americans. Theatre critics received the
premiere production enthusiastically, but highbrow music critics were derisive, distressed
that "lowly" popular music should be incorporated into an opera structure. Black audiences
throughout the years have criticized the work for its condescending depiction of
stereotyped characters and for Gershwin's inauthentic appropriation of black musical
forms. Nevertheless, Gershwin's music-including such standards as "Summertime," "It Ain't
Necessarily So," "Bess, You Is My Woman Now," and "I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'" -transcended
early criticism to attain a revered niche in the musical world, largely because it
successfully amalgamates various musical cultures to evoke something uniquely American and
wholly Gershwin.

and...
http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/34.htm

Paul Whitman, one of the greatest jazz musicians of all times,
was the conductor for Gershwin's failed attempt at an opera. He had
been impressed with Gershwin's use of jazz in the melody, harmony and
rhythms so he suggested to him to write a piece that consisted solely
of jazz. George set out to write a concerto for two pianos but soon
got sidetracked and forgot about it. One morning he picked up a paper
and read that in two days, his newest piece would be premiered at a
concert in Aeolian Hall so he got to work and finished it in two hours

---

George had become interested in black culture through the study
of jazz. And after reading the novel Porgy, about a black crippled
beggar, he became very excited about the musical possibilities it
possessed. So in 1934 he retreated to a small shack in South Carolina
and after twenty-one months he had composed Porgy and Bess. (Adam
40:03). This was the first opera ever written encompassing black
heritage, jazz and blues.
c***@sbcglobal.net
2004-08-19 13:16:20 UTC
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What the fuck has happened to this place?
Is this music appreciation 101 now?
Geez, music is great but this a dreaming
newsgroup. Where the hell did the dreams go? :)
slider
2004-08-19 15:25:37 UTC
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crsds wrote...

What the fuck has happened to this place?
Is this music appreciation 101 now?
Geez, music is great but this a dreaming
newsgroup. Where the hell did the dreams go? :)

### - just off into jazz for a moment... like a ray of light in a nightmare

and then it's all-back to the popular shit again lol :)

(they 'shoot' horses don't they? :)
Jeremy Donovan
2004-08-19 17:55:53 UTC
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### - strangely enough we find gershwin took his inspiration from black music (in the hollywood version he's seen hanging around in black bars and being suddenly inspired for example)
mentioned here on this page...
http://www.classical.net/music/books/reviews/0195090209a.html - e.g.
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.


-Jer
slider
2004-08-19 18:43:06 UTC
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Jeremy wrote

Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.

### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms

i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
Jeremy Donovan
2004-08-19 22:03:05 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.
### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms
i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decide to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and if a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence". If you don't see it now, then you are even more retarded
than I thought (which is a distinct possibility I must admit...).


-J.
slider
2004-08-20 00:49:53 UTC
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Jeremy wrote

For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decide to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and if a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence". If you don't see it now, then you are even more retarded
than I thought (which is a distinct possibility I must admit...).

### - heh you just don't listen very well is all... what i said right from the
beginning was that jazz 'comes' from black people and has it 'origins' in
slavery... and then you want to tell me about (+ list) all the white people
that may or may not have contributed to it/ripped it off later - i.e. try to
see the bigger picture

what can i say... no black slaves = no negro music in america = no gospel,
blues or jazz = rogers & friggin' hammerstein forever:) - e.g. just imagine
a world where all you ever get is stuff from films like 'the sound of music'
etc (the horror, the horror:)

lots of jazz people played gershwin's tunes for example... but then we
know he took his inspiration from black music so it's not so surprising
really if many liked it seeing as he was actually quite good at imitating it

the nearest whitey ever came being that weird (but serious) not to mention
'shunned' early 20th century european composer Shernberg (sp) with his
'classical' music-crushing style which included stuff like 11 (or more:) beats
in a bar that produced some very strange jazz-like classical music (which
actually caused riots & stuff when he played lol :) - but apart from him, not
a chance... thankfully the black guys changed our music forever

now if you don't want to accept that in-favour of your 'own' version of
black american history & culture, then there's nothing more to say...

or perhaps you're just not very familiar with black american culture, and/or
black culture in general?
Jeremy Donovan
2004-08-20 03:58:47 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decide to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and if a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence". If you don't see it now, then you are even more retarded
than I thought (which is a distinct possibility I must admit...).
### - heh you just don't listen very well is all... what i said right from the
beginning was that jazz 'comes' from black people and has it 'origins' in
slavery... and then you want to tell me about (+ list) all the white people
that may or may not have contributed to it/ripped it off later
May or may not have contributed to it? Ripped it off?
You are out of your mind... :-)
Post by Jeremy Donovan
- i.e. try to
see the bigger picture
what can i say... no black slaves = no negro music in america = no gospel,
blues or jazz = rogers & friggin' hammerstein forever:) - e.g. just imagine
a world where all you ever get is stuff from films like 'the sound of music'
etc (the horror, the horror:)
lots of jazz people played gershwin's tunes for example... but then we
know he took his inspiration from black music so it's not so surprising
really if many liked it seeing as he was actually quite good at imitating it
All those great old composers were just "imitating" it, eh? Shows how
much you know about songwriting. You are out of your mind... :-)
Post by Jeremy Donovan
the nearest whitey ever came being that weird (but serious) not to mention
'shunned' early 20th century european composer Shernberg (sp) with his
'classical' music-crushing style which included stuff like 11 (or more:) beats
in a bar that produced some very strange jazz-like classical music (which
actually caused riots & stuff when he played lol :) - but apart from him, not
a chance... thankfully the black guys changed our music forever
now if you don't want to accept that in-favour of your 'own' version of
black american history & culture, then there's nothing more to say...
or perhaps you're just not very familiar with black american culture, and/or
black culture in general?
Slider's comment on the jazz of the last three decades:
"'modern' jazz forms?"

LOL! :-)


That recommendation I just made today ... Jim Hall (white) and Sonny
Rollins (black) playin' great together (1962). Both devoted their
*lives* to jazz, like so many hundreds before them.

And all he really cares about is washing his hands...
Are they getting any cleaner??


-J.
slider
2004-08-20 11:35:16 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decide to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and if a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence". If you don't see it now, then you are even more retarded
than I thought (which is a distinct possibility I must admit...).
### - heh you just don't listen very well is all... what i said right from the
beginning was that jazz 'comes' from black people and has it 'origins' in
slavery... and then you want to tell me about (+ list) all the white people
that may or may not have contributed to it/ripped it off later
May or may not have contributed to it? Ripped it off?
You are out of your mind... :-)

### - you are still not listening jer... next you'll be sayin' that it was the black
guys who ripped-off whitey for his jazz lol :)
Post by Jeremy Donovan
- i.e. try to
see the bigger picture
what can i say... no black slaves = no negro music in america = no gospel,
blues or jazz = rogers & friggin' hammerstein forever:) - e.g. just imagine
a world where all you ever get is stuff from films like 'the sound of music'
etc (the horror, the horror:)
All those great old composers were just "imitating" it, eh? Shows how
much you know about songwriting. You are out of your mind... :-)

### - you don't read too-well either because didn't you just read that even
gershwin 'himself' didn't consider himself to be writing jazz? - now he may
have brought a certain jewish element/vibe to it (a sort of happy/sad sound
of minor tones) plus being an accomplished musician himself was able to
'technically' understand just how it is that jazz is kinda put together and started
to use some of it in his popular 'commercial' compositions (he was working
as a song-plugger in tin-pan ally remember?) so in one sense he was initially
ripping-off the blacks for their unusual music and/or imitating it to some degree
in his own work... the part about the composer guy suggesting to him to use it
exclusively in his operas (his musicals) being like some of the pointers gershwin
received along the way once he started going down that road... plus in his own
right there's nothing wrong with gershwin, being a musician he was just one of
the first few to take black music more seriously, he even studied black culture
*because* of it - and that makes him one of the good-guys :)
Post by Jeremy Donovan
the nearest whitey ever came being that weird (but serious) not to mention
'shunned' early 20th century european composer Shernberg (sp) with his
'classical' music-crushing style which included stuff like 11 (or more:) beats
in a bar that produced some very strange jazz-like classical music (which
actually caused riots & stuff when he played lol :) - but apart from him, not
a chance... thankfully the black guys changed our music forever
now if you don't want to accept that in-favour of your 'own' version of
black american history & culture, then there's nothing more to say...
or perhaps you're just not very familiar with black american culture, and/or
black culture in general?
Slider's comment on the jazz of the last three decades:
"'modern' jazz forms?"

LOL! :-)

### - modern jazz is okay... some of it's even great... i just like the original stuff
is all, personal taste and all that :)



That recommendation I just made today ... Jim Hall (white) and Sonny
Rollins (black) playin' great together (1962). Both devoted their
*lives* to jazz, like so many hundreds before them.

### - plenty of white guys dedicated their lives to it once they became hip to
the vibes... once they 'understood' the vibes, which in the best of cases is almost
going towards zen buddhism in the way they didn't actually want to get 'too technical'
about it or to 'argue' about it... and because coming from the blacks: jazz is a 'way
of life' not found in a text book (coltrane hardly ever talked, they even nicknamed
him 'god' :)




And all he really cares about is washing his hands...
Are they getting any cleaner??

### - heh, but i though YOU were the one trying to wash his hands (of castaneda:)
- so maybe that's why it seems to you that everyone else is washing theirs? :)

i.e. first take the 'beam' out of your own eye and then maybe you'll be able to see
enough to pluck the mote out of other people's eyes (or sumthin' lol:)

seriously though, let's sort this out... is your self-esteem so low that it's entirely
'impossible' for you to talk without being so thoroughly condescending &
demeaning all the time? - is it really that important to you to 'look' good + be
totally 'correct' all the time? - don't you ever takes risks? + would it absolutely
kill or 'destroy' you to be 'wrong' on occasion? - don't you 'like' to learn new things?

personally i prefer to be the student rather than the master, the explorer rather
than the map-seller, the pioneer into new areas instead of one of the home-boys...

an outsider rather than of those who 'belong' to a commonly agreed consensus
(it's strange the things you can learn that way... and no one has to be nasty ;)
±
2004-08-20 08:41:29 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
Post by Jeremy Donovan
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.
### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms
i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decide to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and if a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence". If you don't see it now, then you are even more retarded
than I thought (which is a distinct possibility I must admit...).
America's morals are based on the Western European model.

Most Brits I've met can't even have a personal conversation with their
parents, it's too painful to talk about themselves - it's culturally
beat into them.

Most white people in the US have a hard time letting loose - just watch
some dance next time you're out in a club.

White and uptight.
Post by Jeremy Donovan
-J.
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Jeremy Donovan
2004-08-19 22:05:49 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.
### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms
i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decided to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence"?? If you don't see now that it's not, and that you've
simply become attached to yet another goofy absolute ideal to defend
to the death (which is pretty much all you ever do), then you are even
more retarded than I thought (a distinct possibility in spite of how I
already thought the worst).


-J.
Harlow
2004-08-19 23:12:19 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Donovan
Post by Jeremy Donovan
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.
### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms
i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
For some reason, I am confident that even you are going to get this.
Let's just take one song: April in Paris. Now ... if dozens of great
black musician's all decided to play this song over and over (as they
did), because it is one of the most beautiful jazz compositions of all
time, and a white guy WROTE IT, then ... how is it "all black
influence"?? If you don't see now that it's not, and that you've
simply become attached to yet another goofy absolute ideal to defend
to the death (which is pretty much all you ever do), then you are even
more retarded than I thought (a distinct possibility in spite of how I
already thought the worst).
-J.
What's LOVE gotta do with it?!
-Harlow

Date: 1995-03-24 17:29:45 PST

24 March 1995

RI-ACT-62 'SP-declare David Worrell'

Message #62 for Alt.Clearing.Technology on Internet

from Ron's Inspector

Copy: FLAG Ethics Files

I don't think David Worrell is going to thank me
for my having removed Miscavige, 3 months ago,
and I don't think Worrell is going to thank LRH
for having developed the only Tech
that could make David Worrell saner,
and Worrell will certainly not thank LRH
for recognizing the SP Miscavige
and helping me to remove Miscavige.
(Worrel never will be sane,
and never will recognize SP's himself,
he will always remain one of the most degraded beings
that are around in the universe.)

HE never detected any SP's, not even himself!
(Let alone declare one.)

You see, I did set things that went wrong, right again,
LRH did set things that went wrong, right again.
We have been working our heads off
for the last nine months on that.


But the most degraded being David Worrell,
a friend of Allen Hacker (Speaker),
(Worrell) now tries desperately
to get some tiny splinters of the honours
that are most definitely not due to him.


So if you want to study a truly suppressive being,
a truly mean, evil, utterly confused being,
then study Worrell.

David Worrell is officially declared what he is:
an utterly insane, fully confused, very mean,
very destructive Suppressive Person.
He is correctly declared 'fair game'.

Anybody who in any way supports his unbelievable evil - like
his friend Hacker, whom I already declared to be an SP
together with his friend Dennis Erlich - is treated likewise.


Worrell is forever barred from the Upper levels of Scientology.

The only thing he is capable of, is robbing the theta of others,
the lifeforce of others, the beauty of others,
the ethics of others, the intelligence of others,
the reasoning powers of others,
and then doing as if he can create any of these things
by himself.


If you want to study a real, full blown, totally unknowing,
totally and fully unwilling effect-being,
then study the Suppressive Person Worrell.

It will be a very very long time
before he finds out who he really is.


Worrell is to be instantly kicked out of any Scientology group
or activity, and out of any other betterment group.

He has been totally correctly kicked out of
the Church of Scientology, and he will remain so.


If there is anybody who HATES truth, - besides
Wollersheim and his friends, of course -
then it is certainly the violent SP Worrell.

And if there is anybody who wants to destroy any group that,
and any person who stands for truth and defends truth
and finds out truth,
then that destroyer is the SP Worrell.



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Copyright 1995 by Koos Nolst Trenite


reference:
RI-0i 'Current Ethics' of 30 June 1994
RI-1i 'Ron is Back!' of 7 Sept 1994
RI-2i 'CORRECT PTS-item is David Miscavige' of 10 Sept 1994
RI-3i 'SEC CHECK Yager RTC' of 14 Sept 1994
RI-4i 'LRH validates Free Zone' of 16 Sept 1994
RI-5i 'Who can be trusted in CoS' of 18 Sept 1994
RI-6i 'The PT Overts on David Miscavige' of 20 Sept 1994
RI-7i 'RTC Missions' of 21 Sept 1994
RI-8i 'SEC CHECK Intl Justice Chief' of 29 Sept 1994
RI-9i 'SEC CHECK of Miscavige Now' of 1 Oct 1994
RI-10i 'Confronting a Suppressive' of 12 Oct 1994

RI-11i 'Present Data from LRH' of 16 Oct 1994
RI-12i 'The IAS-Event with LRH' of 16 Oct 1994
RI-13i 'Mark Ingber Remarks' of 20 Oct 1994
RI-14i 'SPs in Scientology's Safe Space' of 23 Oct 1994
RI-15i 'Recent Sessions with LRH on Miscavige' of 26 Oct 1994
RI-16i 'PRESENT Comm from LRH' of 28 Oct 1994
RI-16-A 'PRESENT Comm from LRH - Addition' of 2 Nov 1994
RI-17i 'LRH plus Koos equals actual Wins' of 1 Nov 1994
RI-18i 'LRH on Wolfgang A. Mozart' of 2 Nov 1994
RI-19i 'Artists and Ethics' of 10 Sep 1992
RI-20i 'Hope for Sanity' of 8 Nov 1994

RI-21i 'Mark Ingber now in Watch Dog Committee' of 8 Nov 1994
RI-22i 'If David Miscavige were removed?' of 9 Nov 1994
RI-23i 'More Proof on David Miscavige' of 17 Nov 1994
RI-24i 'Definition of 'PTS' - IMPORTANT' of 19 Nov 1994
RI-25i 'PTS-Declare Type C of OSA-Staff' of 19 Nov 1994
RI-26i 'Note on the State of LRH' of 20 Nov 1994
RI-27i 'How Miscavige uses OT XII (OT-Twelve)' of 23 Nov 1994
RI-28i 'Pulling the WITHHOLD of an LRH-Critic' 27 Nov 1994
RI-29i 'Koos, LRH, Miscavige - the Truth' of 7 Dec 1994
RI-30i 'SP-Declares are Intended' of 17 Feb 1994

RI-31i 'SP-Declares are Intended - Handling' of 7 Mar 1994
RI-32i 'SP-Declares are Intended - Use It' of 9 Mar 1994
RI-33i 'HCO SEC CHECK on Mo Budlong' of 25 Aug 1994
RI-34i 'Who is in Command' of 9 Dec 1994
RI-35i 'How to remove Miscavige - ... ' of 14 Dec 1994
RI-36i 'The Monster Miscavige fights back' of 16 Dec 1994
RI-37i 'The Present Fight of Miscavige' of 16 Dec 1994
RI-38i 'SEC CHECK of an irresponsible OT VIII' of 17 Dec 1994
RI-39i 'SEC CHECK on LRH - ... Important Data' of 18 Dec 1994
RI-40i 'The ..Miscavige-97-Bi-Yrs-Ago-Inc - EP' of 19 Dec 94

RI-41i 'The ..Miscavige-97-Bi-Yrs-Ago-Inc - I' of 18 Dec 94
RI-42i 'The ..Miscavige-97-Bi-Yrs-Ago-Inc - II' of 18 Dec 94
RI-43i 'The ..Miscavige-97-Bi-Yrs-Ago-Inc - III' of 16 Dec 94
RI-44i 'The ..Miscavige-97-Bi-Yrs-Ago-Inc - IV' of 15 Dec 94
RI-45i 'Who can be trusted now in CoS' of 17 Dec 1994
RI-46i 'Miscavige's losing fight with Koos' of 21 Dec 1994
RI-47i 'On-Source AOSHUK - Off-Source FLAG' of 22 Dec 1994
RI-48i 'How to communicate to Ron (to LRH)' of 24 Dec 1994
RI-49i 'Anonymous Donations' 27 Dec 1994
RI-50R-Gi 'Archives of RI-xi and RI-ACT-x series' of 28 Dec 94

RI-51i 'LRH granting Miscavige true Beingness' of 29 Dec 1994
RI-52i 'The Arrogance of Internal Security' of 29 Dec 1994
RI-53i 'Past Life Criminals and Scn Ethics' of 29 Jul 1994
RI-54i 'Newsflash ED INT Guillaume to Koos' of 30 Dec 1994
RI-55i 'FLAG back On Source again' of 30 Dec 1994
RI-56i 'Congratulations from Ron' of 30 Dec 1994

RI-50R-Gi 'Archives of RI-xxi and RI-ACT-xx series'
of 28 Dec 1994, Revised and Replaced 17 Mar 1995





Enclosures:
RI-80i 'The Eternal Critics' of 28 Jan 1995
Evidence on David Worrell of 22 Mar 1995

28 January 1995



RI-80i 'The Eternal Critics'



from Ron's Inspector


Message # RI-80i for Internet




Many people posting here on alt.religion.scientology,
in September 1994, were all "fighting Miscavige", (the
very bad former head of the Church of Scientology),
they told me, they wrote to me.


"If Miscavige would be removed," they clamored,
"THEN everything would be fine."
"They like the subject of Scientology,
they just don't like Miscavige - Miscavige must go,
THEN the Church is fine again!"

That's what they all shouted.


Well, I removed Miscavige, on 30 December 1994,
with the help of LRH and Guillaume Lesevre and Mark Ingber
and Heber Jentzsch and Ray Mithoff.
(And with the help of others who remained ethical
no matter what Miscavige did).


Did any of those critics,
who were shouting that so loud, thank me?

Amazingly, they didn't.

They continued their tirade against the Church,
against the subject of Scientology, against LRH.
And they did NOT investigate their fellow critics!

Now what kind of people are these, you would ask?


They ONLY wanted to criticize the Church, (they actually
want to criticize everybody,)
and they had covered their bad intentions up by saying
that they didn't like the - indeed bad -
former head of the Church, David Miscavige!

This was a handy way of justifying
their continous intention to make nothing of
or belittle anyone who really achieved something.


"We don't agree with some Church Management",
they said - "We don't like Miscavige,
but we do like Scientology", they said.


So I remove Miscavige, but there is not a word of thanks
from these 'critics' who pretend to be constructive critics.


So what IS the truth, about these people?

They just want to be critical,
no matter WHAT improvements are made.

If you would create the most on-Policy (meaning
on-purpose use of Policy), most ideal Church of Scientology,
they would continue to go on being 'critical'.
And they did. They are just professional critics.


This to the "thanks" promised, but not gotten,
for reforming the Church, from those people here on a.r.s
who have nothing better to do than sit the whole day
in front of their computer-screen,
and apparently CAN do nothing better,
than 'finding things bad' without looking,
while quoting fake OT VIII Bulletins
which they pretend to be Scientology
and then attack as if THAT is Scientology,
and then scribbling their idiotic comments
about a very precise Technology they don't want to understand,
on a screen.
(They know whom I am talking about, now.)


Even in a football- (or soccer-)stadium
one gets some cheers for scoring a goal!

Nay, they can't produce anything but 'criticism'.
(They, the ones whom I am talking about.)


I can write the most famous music of
Earth times (as Wolfgang A. Mozart),
and I can paint the most famous painting of
Earth times (as Leonardo da Vinci),
and I can write the most enduring wisdom (as Plato,
as King Salomon)
but when I help them to become more able, more honest,
and tell them to regain their freedom,
they rattle their chains:
"Koos, please let me be a slave!
I couldn't STAND the responsibility of being free!"
(they know whom I am referring to).



Koos Nolst Trenite - Ron's Inspector

Copyright 1995 by Koos Nolst Trenite




Enclosure:
Evidence on David Worrell of 22 Mar 1995

- Start of Evidence of the confusion of the most insane,
most ugly SP David Worrell of 22 Mar 1995 -

From: David Worrell <***@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Subject: Re: RI-118i A Continental Ethics Officer Exposed
Post by Jeremy Donovan
(The data revealed in HCO Security Checks are not confidential.
They are used to detect hidden crimes, and the data is used by
the group to stop the crimes and to apply group-justice...
Yes, "the group" in this case being the international readership
of the newsgroups alt.religion.scientology and
alt.clearing.technology.

Sheesh. Trumping up a weird case against someone, putting
quotes in their mouth which were allegedly uncovered via
"telepathy" without any actual acknowledgment, tangible
evidence, or independent confirmation, and then publishing this
libelous trash in an INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC FORUM... that's just
about as unethical and as retarded as it gets.

And that is what Koos is doing, over and over again.

[...]
Post by Jeremy Donovan
HCO Sec Check ordered by Koos
Ordered by Koos, performed by Koos, recorded by Koos, and...
REPORTED by Koos to AN INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC FORUM, including
thousands who are not members of "the group". Neither is Koos?
Post by Jeremy Donovan
[ Lydie Djekiane is confusing the SP Heinrich Himmler with LRH.
Lydie stopped Koos' auditing
after Koos had a major completion at AOSHEU AO-B,
and she wrote and pushed through an extremely false,
very illegal SP-declare on Koos. ]
So, Koos continues his obsession with those who had him
declared, or those with whom he experienced conflict while in
the Church.

Koos, I'm going to give you a REVOLUTIONARY idea here. Now,
don't try to digest it all at once...this is a big step for you:

Consider the possibility that what happened to you in
Scientology was in NO WAY UNIQUE. Consider the possibility that
such things happened to MANY, MANY people who participated.
Consider the possibility that such acts were committed by MANY
officers OTHER THAN the ones that committed such acts on Koos.
And consider the possibility that the main reason such things
happened with such regularity is that it is THE POLICY AND
DOCTRINE OF LRH THAT GIVES RISE TO SUCH BEHAVIOR.

There, that's the whole enchilada. Take up thy bed and walk.

[...remainder of the "tragic" tale of Koos' SP declare,
and the alleged libel of Lydie, have been deleted, alas...]


David - Koos Inspector

From: David Worrell <***@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Subject: Re: RI-119i Is Scientology a complete and finished
subject?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:46:59 -0600 (CST)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK
NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Post by Jeremy Donovan
'Is Scientology a complete and finished subject?'
Is "physics" a complete and finished subject?
Is "city planning" a complete and finished subject?
Is "jazz music" a complete and finished subject?
Is ANY subject a complete and finished subject?

Do these questions all have obvious answers?
Post by Jeremy Donovan
(according to the usurper) David Miscavige,
Scientology WAS a complete and finished subject.
Who wrote KSW?
Post by Jeremy Donovan
So that he could kick L. Ron Hubbard out,
first out of management (1982),
then out of his body (1986),
then out of Earth (1986).
Poor Ron. Poor defenseless Ron. Him not responsible.
Big bad Miscavige! Him responsible.
Post by Jeremy Donovan
That's the very down to Earth truth of it all.
That's the feeblest oversimplification I've ever heard.
Post by Jeremy Donovan
And that brings us to yet another SP-characteristic - of
the SP David Miscavige and of his deputy, the SP Marc Yager, -
which is,
by trickery, by withholding and misrepresentation of data,
by flattery with large amounts of admiration
So poor little Ron was tricked and flattered by the big bad SPs?
He's not responsible! Man, what a fairy tale. My four year
old wouldn't fall for this story. Well, maybe he would...but
my 10 year old wouldn't! Well, maybe he would...but a grown
man wouldn't! Well, maybe Koos would...
Post by Jeremy Donovan
and false acknowledgements of
things seemingly completed and handled,
to bring someone to the point where he thinks all is fine
and all is repaired and HE CAN LEAVE NOW,
AND SHOULD LEAVE NOW IN ORDER TO MAKE PLACE FOR OTHERS,
IN ORDER TO LET OTHERS ALSO HAVE A GAME.
That would be a pretty good excuse for almost ANY deed, no?
Yeah! To let them have a game! Yeah! That's the ticket!
Post by Jeremy Donovan
This was the situation
with the Churches of Scientology from 1982 to 1986.
Yes, that is the TOTAL situation! ALL OF IT!!!!
ALL OF IT, DO YOU HEAR ME???? RON WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTHING
THAT HAPPENED IN THE CHURCH AFTER 1982!!! NOTHING!!!

Right.
Post by Jeremy Donovan
It has cost me a few million US $ to find this out for you,
and to bring LRH back.
I know what you mean, Koos. I have spent several hundred
million dollars worth of my valuable time trying to show you the
error of your ways.
Post by Jeremy Donovan
I hope you pay me back some time,
You owe me: $"several hundred million" - "a few million".
Post by Jeremy Donovan
at least by supporting the work of correction
that is now in progress.
I guess it is a good fantasy for you, Koos, so hey, ENJOY!
Post by Jeremy Donovan
P.S: My Order to all of you
to distribute my material
to all Scientology Orgs and Missions and Institutions
by surface mail,
has not been cancelled.
Oh, is this what you are relying on to get you back in good
standing with the Church? Wouldn't it be easier just to learn
to communicate in a normal fashion?


David - Koos Inspector

- End of Evidence of the confusion of the most insane,
most ugly SP David Worrell of 22 Mar 1995 -



P.S: The above Worrell-confusion
is the typical response of a Suppressive Person,
at a time when you set things right for him and for others.
You wouldn't think such people exist - but they do.
I am sure more of his ilk will now
raise their little ugly heads,
now that WE (not they, but we) ARE SETTING THINGS RIGHT.

KNT
Jeremy Donovan
2004-08-20 03:46:16 UTC
Permalink
Harlow, you are one sick mofo. :-)


-J.
±
2004-08-20 08:35:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeremy Donovan
Sure, Gershwin was inspired and influenced by black music, and ... the
black music that came after him was also partly inspired and
influenced by him. So gee, I think you're starting to get it. Just
apply that same concept to the other TEN examples I gave you (and
others like them), and you'll have a more accurate picture of the
influences (both black and white) on those who came later down the
road, like Monk, Mingus, Coltrane and company.
### - it's all black influence jeremy... the very vibe itself originating from black
slavery and a yearning for freedom, white people only getting in on the act later by
exploiting it for their own commercial purposes, black music being almost 'taboo' in that
white-man's world until then & was stigmatised as being the devil's music etc and
banned... people like satchmo being the white-man's novel + token black friend who later
brought an element of respectability to it all in the white-mans eyes & living rooms
i.e. the fearful white man was always worried about all that weird music, strong sex,
drugs & dancing ever since he first saw what was to him just a bunch of crazy black
natives all drumming & dancing their voodoo around their camp fires in darkest africa
(just little did he know just exactly what it 'was' he was importing into his own country
along with those black slaves heh heh, nor how it would ultimately alter/change/challenge
his own white world :):)
When the French colonized Louisiana they made education available to
children of all colors.

Black musicians were trained in classical music, which was extremely
structured.

The combination of both produced Jazz.

Besides being the birthplace of Jazz, New Orleans also brought Rock
along - but that's another story.
--
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2004-08-20 08:22:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by slider
### - strangely enough we find gershwin took his inspiration from black music (in the
hollywood version he's seen hanging around in black bars and being suddenly inspired for
example)
mentioned here on this page...
http://www.classical.net/music/books/reviews/0195090209a.html - e.g.
Susan Richardson talks about the meshing of Gershwin's career with the early explosion of
the pop-music industry - sheet music, radio, piano rolls, films, and recordings. The most
problematic essay of the book for me, C. André Barbera's "George Gershwin and Jazz," ends
up stating the obvious (and Gershwin's own position): that the composer didn't write jazz.
However, there's a bit of strange hand-wringing over the white man's appropriation and
exploitation of the black man's music, as if Gershwin owed somebody royalties. It makes no
more sense to worry about this kind of appropriation than it does to accuse Charlie Parker
of ripping off the white European system of harmony and polyphony, in my opinion. Many in
the white-dominated pop-music industry have indeed ripped off black artists (and some
black music moguls have done the same, incidentally) and do owe them, but we should
distinguish between money and the materials of art. The latter is common property - there
for anyone with the talent to use them. Beyond this bump in the road, however, Barbera
goes on to analyze Gershwin's songs to find reasons why so many jazz musicians like to
play with them.
or this one
http://inkpot.com/classical/gershporgy.html - e.g.
Gershwin's lyrical inspiration for Porgy and Bess was drawn from the visits to Carolina
where he soaked up the music of churches, prayer meetings, homes and nightclubs. Of
course, Gershwin's own upbringing in Harlem exposed him at an early age to all that jazz
and the artistry of legendary musicians Art Tatum and "Fats" Waller. He had already
demonstrated his "chops" as a talented and more than competent Jazz pianist that raised
eyebrows amongst black musicians from the time he worked at Remick's Publishing House. The
natural, negro-American music that thus flowed from this white man's pen thus comes as no
surprise.
or this...
http://esperstamps.org/t7-print.htm
In preparation for the show, Gershwin spent time in the rural South, studying firsthand
the music and lifestyle of impoverished African Americans. Theatre critics received the
premiere production enthusiastically, but highbrow music critics were derisive, distressed
that "lowly" popular music should be incorporated into an opera structure. Black audiences
throughout the years have criticized the work for its condescending depiction of
stereotyped characters and for Gershwin's inauthentic appropriation of black musical
forms. Nevertheless, Gershwin's music-including such standards as "Summertime," "It Ain't
Necessarily So," "Bess, You Is My Woman Now," and "I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'" -transcended
early criticism to attain a revered niche in the musical world, largely because it
successfully amalgamates various musical cultures to evoke something uniquely American and
wholly Gershwin.
and...
http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/34.htm
Paul Whitman, one of the greatest jazz musicians of all times,
And racist.

He called himself "The King Of Jazz", yet had no African Americans in
his band.

He often bought music from black composers and put his own name on. I'm
glad that history has remembered him a pretender.

Gershwin, on the other hand, was a colorblind genius - Rhapsody in Blue
was one of the greatest works of the twentieth century.
Post by slider
was the conductor for Gershwin's failed attempt at an opera. He had
been impressed with Gershwin's use of jazz in the melody, harmony and
rhythms so he suggested to him to write a piece that consisted solely
of jazz. George set out to write a concerto for two pianos but soon
got sidetracked and forgot about it. One morning he picked up a paper
and read that in two days, his newest piece would be premiered at a
concert in Aeolian Hall so he got to work and finished it in two hours
---
George had become interested in black culture through the study
of jazz. And after reading the novel Porgy, about a black crippled
beggar, he became very excited about the musical possibilities it
possessed. So in 1934 he retreated to a small shack in South Carolina
and after twenty-one months he had composed Porgy and Bess. (Adam
40:03). This was the first opera ever written encompassing black
heritage, jazz and blues.
--
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Bill Cleere
2004-08-20 18:19:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by ±
Post by slider
### - strangely enough we find gershwin took his inspiration from black music (in the
hollywood version he's seen hanging around in black bars and being suddenly inspired for
example)
mentioned here on this page...
http://www.classical.net/music/books/reviews/0195090209a.html - e.g.
Susan Richardson talks about the meshing of Gershwin's career with the early explosion of
the pop-music industry - sheet music, radio, piano rolls, films, and recordings. The most
problematic essay of the book for me, C. André Barbera's "George Gershwin and Jazz," ends
up stating the obvious (and Gershwin's own position): that the composer didn't write jazz.
However, there's a bit of strange hand-wringing over the white man's appropriation and
exploitation of the black man's music, as if Gershwin owed somebody royalties. It makes no
more sense to worry about this kind of appropriation than it does to accuse Charlie Parker
of ripping off the white European system of harmony and polyphony, in my opinion. Many in
the white-dominated pop-music industry have indeed ripped off black artists (and some
black music moguls have done the same, incidentally) and do owe them, but we should
distinguish between money and the materials of art. The latter is common property - there
for anyone with the talent to use them. Beyond this bump in the road, however, Barbera
goes on to analyze Gershwin's songs to find reasons why so many jazz musicians like to
play with them.
or this one
http://inkpot.com/classical/gershporgy.html - e.g.
Gershwin's lyrical inspiration for Porgy and Bess was drawn from the visits to Carolina
where he soaked up the music of churches, prayer meetings, homes and nightclubs. Of
course, Gershwin's own upbringing in Harlem exposed him at an early age to all that jazz
and the artistry of legendary musicians Art Tatum and "Fats" Waller. He had already
demonstrated his "chops" as a talented and more than competent Jazz pianist that raised
eyebrows amongst black musicians from the time he worked at Remick's Publishing House. The
natural, negro-American music that thus flowed from this white man's pen thus comes as no
surprise.
or this...
http://esperstamps.org/t7-print.htm
In preparation for the show, Gershwin spent time in the rural South, studying firsthand
the music and lifestyle of impoverished African Americans. Theatre critics received the
premiere production enthusiastically, but highbrow music critics were derisive, distressed
that "lowly" popular music should be incorporated into an opera structure. Black audiences
throughout the years have criticized the work for its condescending depiction of
stereotyped characters and for Gershwin's inauthentic appropriation of black musical
forms. Nevertheless, Gershwin's music-including such standards as "Summertime," "It Ain't
Necessarily So," "Bess, You Is My Woman Now," and "I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'" -transcended
early criticism to attain a revered niche in the musical world, largely because it
successfully amalgamates various musical cultures to evoke something uniquely American and
wholly Gershwin.
and...
http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/34.htm
Paul Whitman, one of the greatest jazz musicians of all times,
And racist.
He called himself "The King Of Jazz", yet had no African Americans in
his band.
He wasn't even a jazzman. He was a society bandleader who had
the good sense to hire jazz musicians like Bix Beiderbecke and
allow them to play very measured doses of hot music.

And he was a great publicist.
Post by ±
He often bought music from black composers and put his own name on. I'm
glad that history has remembered him a pretender.
Gershwin, on the other hand, was a colorblind genius - Rhapsody in Blue
was one of the greatest works of the twentieth century.
As proved by the fact that it has survived the overwhelming commercialization
of recent years. Even in those stupid airline ads, it *still* sounds good.
Post by ±
Post by slider
was the conductor for Gershwin's failed attempt at an opera. He had
been impressed with Gershwin's use of jazz in the melody, harmony and
rhythms so he suggested to him to write a piece that consisted solely
of jazz. George set out to write a concerto for two pianos but soon
got sidetracked and forgot about it. One morning he picked up a paper
and read that in two days, his newest piece would be premiered at a
concert in Aeolian Hall so he got to work and finished it in two hours
---
George had become interested in black culture through the study
of jazz. And after reading the novel Porgy, about a black crippled
beggar, he became very excited about the musical possibilities it
possessed. So in 1934 he retreated to a small shack in South Carolina
and after twenty-one months he had composed Porgy and Bess. (Adam
40:03). This was the first opera ever written encompassing black
heritage, jazz and blues.
Not even close. Scott Joplin completed "Treemonisha" in 1910. He wrote
a second opera, "Guest of Honor", which has unfortunately been lost.

-- Bill Cleere
±
2004-08-22 10:10:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Cleere
Post by ±
Post by slider
### - strangely enough we find gershwin took his inspiration from black music (in the
hollywood version he's seen hanging around in black bars and being suddenly inspired for
example)
mentioned here on this page...
http://www.classical.net/music/books/reviews/0195090209a.html - e.g.
Susan Richardson talks about the meshing of Gershwin's career with the early explosion of
the pop-music industry - sheet music, radio, piano rolls, films, and recordings. The most
problematic essay of the book for me, C. André Barbera's "George Gershwin and Jazz," ends
up stating the obvious (and Gershwin's own position): that the composer didn't write jazz.
However, there's a bit of strange hand-wringing over the white man's appropriation and
exploitation of the black man's music, as if Gershwin owed somebody royalties. It makes no
more sense to worry about this kind of appropriation than it does to accuse Charlie Parker
of ripping off the white European system of harmony and polyphony, in my opinion. Many in
the white-dominated pop-music industry have indeed ripped off black artists (and some
black music moguls have done the same, incidentally) and do owe them, but we should
distinguish between money and the materials of art. The latter is common property - there
for anyone with the talent to use them. Beyond this bump in the road, however, Barbera
goes on to analyze Gershwin's songs to find reasons why so many jazz musicians like to
play with them.
or this one
http://inkpot.com/classical/gershporgy.html - e.g.
Gershwin's lyrical inspiration for Porgy and Bess was drawn from the visits to Carolina
where he soaked up the music of churches, prayer meetings, homes and nightclubs. Of
course, Gershwin's own upbringing in Harlem exposed him at an early age to all that jazz
and the artistry of legendary musicians Art Tatum and "Fats" Waller. He had already
demonstrated his "chops" as a talented and more than competent Jazz pianist that raised
eyebrows amongst black musicians from the time he worked at Remick's Publishing House. The
natural, negro-American music that thus flowed from this white man's pen thus comes as no
surprise.
or this...
http://esperstamps.org/t7-print.htm
In preparation for the show, Gershwin spent time in the rural South, studying firsthand
the music and lifestyle of impoverished African Americans. Theatre critics received the
premiere production enthusiastically, but highbrow music critics were derisive, distressed
that "lowly" popular music should be incorporated into an opera structure. Black audiences
throughout the years have criticized the work for its condescending depiction of
stereotyped characters and for Gershwin's inauthentic appropriation of black musical
forms. Nevertheless, Gershwin's music-including such standards as "Summertime," "It Ain't
Necessarily So," "Bess, You Is My Woman Now," and "I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'" -transcended
early criticism to attain a revered niche in the musical world, largely because it
successfully amalgamates various musical cultures to evoke something uniquely American and
wholly Gershwin.
and...
http://www.cyberessays.com/Arts/34.htm
Paul Whitman, one of the greatest jazz musicians of all times,
And racist.
He called himself "The King Of Jazz", yet had no African Americans in
his band.
He wasn't even a jazzman. He was a society bandleader who had
the good sense to hire jazz musicians like Bix Beiderbecke and
allow them to play very measured doses of hot music.
And he was a great publicist.
Same as it ever was...
Post by Bill Cleere
Post by ±
He often bought music from black composers and put his own name on. I'm
glad that history has remembered him a pretender.
Gershwin, on the other hand, was a colorblind genius - Rhapsody in Blue
was one of the greatest works of the twentieth century.
As proved by the fact that it has survived the overwhelming commercialization
of recent years. Even in those stupid airline ads, it *still* sounds good.
Its majestic sound never fails to move me when I hear it.
Post by Bill Cleere
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was the conductor for Gershwin's failed attempt at an opera. He had
been impressed with Gershwin's use of jazz in the melody, harmony and
rhythms so he suggested to him to write a piece that consisted solely
of jazz. George set out to write a concerto for two pianos but soon
got sidetracked and forgot about it. One morning he picked up a paper
and read that in two days, his newest piece would be premiered at a
concert in Aeolian Hall so he got to work and finished it in two hours
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George had become interested in black culture through the study
of jazz. And after reading the novel Porgy, about a black crippled
beggar, he became very excited about the musical possibilities it
possessed. So in 1934 he retreated to a small shack in South Carolina
and after twenty-one months he had composed Porgy and Bess. (Adam
40:03). This was the first opera ever written encompassing black
heritage, jazz and blues.
a second opera, "Guest of Honor", which has unfortunately been lost.
-- Bill Cleere
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